Serious question: What is our long term objective in Ukraine?

Is it realistic for Ukraine to win this war?  Can Ukraine actually get back the land that Russia stole?

Or are we simply funding Ukraine for the sake of "making Russia pay"?

I know that in this war Russia is in the wrong, and Ukraine is in the right, but would it save lives and end suffering to just stop the war now?

I honestly don't know myself.  And I won't pretend that I'm well enough informed on the war in Ukraine to have an opinion.

But, based on my Facebook and Twitter feeds from the past 24 hours, I'm a little bit worried that liberals are falling into the trap of just being reflexively against whatever Trump is for.

That being said, let's state the obvious.  Trump and Vance are an embarrassment.  Just look at the way they conducted themselves.  (If you haven't watched the whole video yet, it's worth watching.)

It's impossible to watch this video and not come away with absolute loathing for Trump and Vance, and complete sympathy for Zelensky.  Trump and Vance acted like bullies, Zelensky acted like a dignified patriot.

But, I want to be careful about making the following leap of logic: "Because Trump and Vance are bullies, that means we have to continue to support the war in the Ukraine"

I don't know.  Maybe we do have to support the war in the Ukraine. What do I know?

(As I mentioned in a previous post, I used to be a principled pacifist, but as I've gotten older, I've realized that the world is complex, and sometimes there are no "one-size fits all solutions".  But my gut reaction is still to have sympathy with the pacifist position, so there are my biases.  As always, take my opinions with a grain of salt.)

But one thing I do know is that we shouldn't support the war in Ukraine just because Trump and Vance are bullies.  And after reading Facebook and Twitter this morning, I'm worried that this is where the left seems to be going at the moment: "Trump and Vance are disgraceful, therefore we have to support the war."