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Sunday, November 05, 2023
Dinosaurs eating meat are called carnivores: Grammar Questions I Couldn't Answer
I posted:
Okay, is everybody ready to put their heads together for a grammar question? X___ and I were looking at this sentence from the Pre-Advanced B unit 6 quiz. The instructions are "Write the sentences again with a reduced relative clause. Tick the sentence if it does not need to be changed." Number 12 is "Dinosaurs that ate meat are called carnivores". According to the answer key, this sentence cannot be re-rewritten as a reduced relative clause.But... according to the information in the students' workbook (p.62), it says, "If a relative pronoun is followed directly by a verb, it cannot be left out. Sometimes we can use the verb in the -ing form or past participle instead: The scientists who study / studying ..."So, can the sentence be re-written as "Dinosaurs eating meat are called carnivores." X___ and I both agreed that it didn't sound right. But why? What rule is being broken?Is it because it's in the past tense? Maybe. But, looking in or other textbooks, in the Reflect series--Reflect 5 Listening and Speaking, p. 62--they give several examples of reduced relative clauses in the past tense (e.g. "The number of people who used public baths increased"... "the number of people using public baths increased")So is "Dinosaurs eating meat are called carnivores" actually wrong?
X___ posted:
Is it about defining and non defining? (Haven’t delved deep into thinking about this, but just based on these examples)
I'd been thinking about defining non-defining, but I can't seem to find a consistent pattern. "Dinosaurs that eat meat" is, I think, defining. But if we change it to a non-defining example, like "Simon, who eats meat, teaches English", then we would get "Simon eating meat teaches English"--which to me at least still seems a bit off.
You mentioned past tense, and for me that is a part of reason it feels wrong. In the other example referring to the past, you have 'increased' to place it in the past. However, in the dinos sentence it really sounds like dinos are still around eating meat.
I wonder... I'm looking at other examples now from the textbook. Reflect 5 Listening and Speaking, p. 62 also has "Almost half the people who saw the online advertisement clicked it", which they say can be reduced to "Almost half the people seeing the online advertisement clicked it". But in this case as well, we still have the word "clicked" to indicate that it's in the past. So is that they key? We need another past tense verb somewhere in the sentence to make it sound right?What about if we put it into the present tense and say "animals eating meat are called carnivores". Does that fix the problem, or does it still sound a little off? I want to say that it still sounds a bit off to me....Also, what if we changed "are called" to "were called"--i.e. "Dinosaurs eating meat were called Carnivores". Does that fix it?
X___ replied:
On the last sentence, I would say no, as we call them carnivores now.Animals eating meat are called carnivores sits better with me, but it isn't how I would ever say it myself....
X___ posted:
Yeah I think it felt weird because we know dinosaurs are extinct (or are they?) But still the animals eating meat feels a bit off too because I start to think , well when they are not eating what are they called. So maybe it's the defining aspect?
Friday, May 26, 2023
Garbage Man: Reduced Relative Clauses
Take a look at the text that describes the benefits of using soap. |
The number of people who used public baths increased. |
He was looking for the document that was sitting on the printer. |
Photos that are shared digitally cost nothing. |
The man who is cleaning the dishes in the ad looks very unhappy. |
Social media stars who are followed by a lot of people are often paid to post about a product. |
All magazines now rely on money that is earned from advertising. |
Almost half the people who saw the online advertisement clicked on it. |
The advertisements that are aimed at children are very colorful. |
The sofa that was made by my grandfather is very old-fashioned. |
answers:
Take a look at the text that describes the benefits of using soap. Take a look at the text describing the benefits of using soap. |
The number of people who used public baths increased. The number of people using public baths increased. |
He was looking for the document that was sitting on the printer. He was looking for a document sitting on the printer. |
Photos that are shared digitally cost nothing. Photos shared digitally cost nothing. |
The man who is cleaning the dishes in the ad looks very unhappy. The man cleaning the dishes in the ad looks very unhappy. |
Social media stars who are followed by a lot of people are often paid to post about a product. Social media stars followed by a lot of people are often paid to post about a product. |
All magazines now rely on money that is earned from advertising. All magazines now rely on money earned from advertising. |
Almost half the people who saw the online advertisement clicked on it. Almost half the people seeing the online advertisement clicked on it. |
The advertisements that are aimed at children are very colorful. The advertisements aimed at children are very colorful. |
The sofa that was made by my grandfather is very old-fashioned. The sofa made by my grandfather is very old-fashioned. |